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Signal. but the folks in congress are, well, sophisticated. so it may be that they will do this. it will yield some information. it is significant to me it is a request to phone companies that suggest they don't trust people who will voluntarily turn it over. >> what does it mean in terms of the legal ability to fight these requests from people who suspect that their records would be involved? >> well, they can certainly try. i don't think it will succeed. and even president clinton for all his faults, when he was faced with all these requests, turned over reconstructive the entire email syste...

China is the u.s. has not figured out how to disincentivize this. both countries determined it's in their national interest to do this and it works. if it works, why stop. >> it's just so alarming how they are now enlisting these kind of hackers militias, right, as they go into this. i wonder, though, look, you got to control what you can control at home. right? in the case of the microsoft hack, when it came to that exchange email system, they realized they had four vulnerabilities on their email system. so what is the lesson for other companies here when it comes to figuring out what your vu...

U.s. says is behind hacking of microsoft's email system, and how the white house is responding. and later, only right here on this show on "msnbc reports" the very first interview with the two pulitzer prize winning "washington post" reporters behind the explosive new trump book. people want to know why didn't you say something at the time to these officials that were so close to the president? it's not a profile in courage to come out after he lost an election and now talk about it. you don't become a runner, who breaks eight world records... after age 65, without a serious support system. ...

For the email. saying this to whoever is listening. that's crazy. here we can't get on the email system without doing that. part is also our resilience. but we do also don't want to be like them and get in a tit for tat acting like cyber criminals. it's legitimate to go after target evenings and organizations. i don't think it's right to have the russian economy and russian consumers be hit because these criminals hit us. to me we would not want to engage in that. >> kirsten, i think talking about hacking people think of a futuristic person in a dark room. realistically how much of this is pre...

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