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>> how quickly do you -- >> but it would also be a bad thing. in itself, it would contribute to the possibility of having another recession. >> how quickly do you think we'll feel tremors from the debt ceiling now that the treasury is beginning to talk about avoiding it. >> i think we're seeing uncertainty about absolutely everything. it's cumulative, it's the debt ceiling, it's the fiscal cliff, it's what taxes are going to be, it's what spending is going to be, people feel uncertain and when they feel uncertain they pull back. that's a natural reaction, whether they're investors or consumers...

Beginning to talk about avoiding it. >> i think we're seeing uncertainty about absolutely everything. it's cumulative, it's the debt ceiling, it's the fiscal cliff, it's what taxes are going to be, it's what spending is going to be, people feel uncertain and when they feel uncertain they pull back. that's a natural reaction, whether they're investors or consumers. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. as crisis go, you hope for the best and you prepare for the worst, right? since the former is starting to not look so likely, the preparing for the worst options are beginning ...

Another recession. >> how quickly do you think we'll feel tremors from the debt ceiling now that the treasury is beginning to talk about avoiding it. >> i think we're seeing uncertainty about absolutely everything. it's cumulative, it's the debt ceiling, it's the fiscal cliff, it's what taxes are going to be, it's what spending is going to be, people feel uncertain and when they feel uncertain they pull back. that's a natural reaction, whether they're investors or consumers. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. as crises go, you hope for the best and you prepare for the wor...