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Going to pawn shops to pawn their wedding rings in tears. >> that was heart breaking. when people elect the president of the united states, they elect someone to safe guard the national defense and have the best interests of the american people at heart. they also want someone looking out for them, not just policy-wise, also empathetically. we talked about that on this show and around the country about the empathy deficit of president trump. you have to have a sense of empathy and motorcycle conviction for someone else's being to fix this situation. the fact he won't fix it, only views this sh...

Subpoenas, in terms of questions they want answered from this president, in terms of documents they are going to ask him to cough up? >> so, i think the democrats -- look the ground has been set and there's an era of bad feelings we're in and i understand everything that you said about the president's incredible empathy deficit. nonetheless democrats need the to play their hands wisely, which is to say they have oversight authority that they haven't had before. they need to use it in a slow steady measured deliberatively way, not to willy-nilly spit out subpoenas for anything they might want, ...

Listening sessions today and yesterday. the debate was heated at times. it was respectful. they won praise for having the guts to have the president leading this freewheeling and honest conversation. still some of the conversation focused on anything but that. it was the notes that the president had in his hand that you can get a close up look at which have some thoughts on questions and things of the like it. says, this photo of trump's notes captures his empathy deficit better than anything. that's what "the washington post" had to say after all was said and done. what happened later at the ...

Perhaps sincere about what they've done. >> decker, for 25 years you've studied people in power and preying on those in vulnerable positions. how does power transform a person's behavior? >> it's regrettable how reliable this is, isn't it? what we know from scientific studies is if you give any human being a little bit of power, which we see in the weinstein and louis c.k. cases and others, historically they are vulnerable to empathy deficit. they don't realize, men in positions of power, how they're offending people, how they make people repulsed and anxious and they think the other young wom...

Time. that's not a role this president who has an empathy deficit is very well suited for. >> i hear you. and i get how it can be misconstrued. he tried to compare himself to other presidents. >> sure. the pointless pugnacity of the man who says he's proud of being a counter puncher and he counter punches even when he hasn't been punched. >> exactly. i don't understand why he went down this road. >> let me say something mildly on his behalf. he is barely on speaking terms with the english look. i don't think i've heard him complete a sentence in two years that had an object and a verb. >> you'...