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Sessions, because the ten na k s -- tentacles are so far spreading that they have gone to the u.s. district attorney in washington and even if he fires jeff sessions, and if rod rosenstein becomes the acting attorney general, mueller is fine, and nothing will happen. but a new confirmed attorney general, then the senate will require that person to say that they will either recuse themselves or that they will in some way or another commit to not interfering with the investigation. i think that real question is if he can put an acting official in who would try to shut it down. that is the threat...

Chief point is important. when the nation is dealing with a massive disaster, natural or man-made, that's the role the president plays as a way of uniting the nation. but that leadership requires empathy in those situations. and as abby points out, there's an empathy gap here. you saw it in that tweet yesterday, declaring a-plus about storm relief and attacking the mayor of san juan, where his administration still has not fully come to grips with the nearly 3,000 who died. and there's a real danger as this storm approaches. not that the response won't be everything it could possibly be, based ...

Success is an insult to those families, to the dead, and a disastrous response. the carolinas will be a different response situation because it's on the coast of the united states. that statement isn't just a denial of reality, it's an insult to the puerto rico families. >> the other thing is there is a real empathy gap that president trump has demonstrated time and time again at moments like this, that he had an opportunity to express sympathy and concern about the loss of life, whether he feels responsible for it or not. he repeatedly refuses to do that, and in these moments, it's not just a...

Families are with him and standing with him because they do feel an empathy gap and that people don't give their pain a lot of credit because it is uncomfortable to talk about and because i think it is not statistically representative and great for crafting policy but the pain is real and does point out sometimes real gaps in our immigration system which is a disaster and why we might need a comprehensive smart legislative solution but whatever. for instance, some people have been deported several times and come back to commit crimes. so that is a problem worth pointing out. this is not the wa...

Not understand gun culture. >> they are right to notice when people get terminology wrong. >> but this is a fairly mainstream thing to do. these are tools that many americans have in their houses and not being able to understand that, and see the sensational angle is very dangerous in trying to cover this issue. >> for me, this weekend was so newsworthy because of the intensity gap. it suggested that the nra and guns rights activists have so much more intensity they are willing to go out and vote on an issue, where activists are intense. do you see that gap changing now? >> there are two thing...