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That's such a conundrum right now. >> you don't need four or five people in a boat, two or three would be enough? >> absolutely. they do employ techniques where they get somebody on the ground, that kind of can scoot a bird toward somebody else or scare it out into the water, and then it can be picked up safely. sometimes three people is a good number. four people, that's kind of ridiculous. >> i was alarmed when i heard it's not bird experts in these boats any longer. people working hard, it's the u.s. fish and wildlife. one guy i talked to was an otter expert, another was a fire fighter. the...

Experience handling birds, i have not gotten a phone call. >> really, not one phone call at all? >> no. >> how does this log jam break? >> i have no idea, anderson, that's such a conundrum right now. >> you don't need four or five people in a boat, two or three would be enough? >> absolutely. they do employ techniques where they get somebody on the ground, that kind of can scoot a bird toward somebody else or scare it out into the water, and then it can be picked up safely. sometimes three people is a good number. four people, that's kind of ridiculous. >> i was alarmed when i heard it's not b...

>> really, not one phone call at all? >> no. >> how does this log jam break? >> i have no idea, anderson, that's such a conundrum right now. >> you don't need four or five people in a boat, two or three would be enough? >> absolutely. they do employ techniques where they get somebody on the ground, that kind of can scoot a bird toward somebody else or scare it out into the water, and then it can be picked up safely. sometimes three people is a good number. four people, that's kind of ridiculous. >> i was alarmed when i heard it's not bird experts in these boats any longer. people working hard,...