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This is more than codes. people ought to try it. >> here again a town totally demolished. these roofs are gone. empty spaces where houses once sat, this is from barbuda that was totally destroyed. before you had this nice neighborhood. now blank areas of debris left. >> shepard: turks and caicos. and this is provo, the big town. >> right. it has some massive devastation. all this rubble. >> shepard: i wonder what grace bay is like. you know, we just haven't gotten pictures from everywhere. got more? >> no. that's it. >> shepard: there's a lot out there on google. when you think you have it bad...

Isis, of course, will retreat into the desert, they'll continue to launch their insurgencies, and they still control a third of the country. so the fall of aleppo will not end the war. but it is likely to change the war in a pretty dramatic and decisive fashion. >> quick, one more beat on this. for americans who say, look, i care about isis. i can't -- the united states can't be the world's policeman, we can't fix syria, there are 100 guys like assad out there. i only care about isis. what do you say to them? >> i mean, if we really do care about isis, and there's a contradiction, syria and ir...

Saudi arabia not to over react. >> of course, implementation of the iranian nuclear deal. we can't afford to be too tough with iranians either. all of this reflects the reality that you have a broken, angry, dysfunctional middle east. most of the problems, sectarian tension, empty spaces, dysfunctional governance are all problems that are really immune from american military pow, political persuasion, and reluctantly, sadly, as we begin 2016 whether an r or a d or he or a she in the white house in a year or so, the reality is that you're going to end up with major headaches still. so, a lot of...

Dysfunctional middle east that is continuing to spew out all kinds of hatred against the west. you've got broken states in syria and iraq, empty spaces, access to guns and now we hear access to the capacity to produce passports. >> right. >> so i just think we have to redefine -- america -- look, americans love hollywood endings. we love comprehensive, definitive solutions. and frankly, right now, against jihadi terror, i don't think there is one. >> so aaron, part of this is also how muslims are treated in this country, right? and there are experts who have said, look, if you discriminate aga...