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Colorado, back in june of to 13, i asked him about the situation in syria. listen to this exchange. >> what, if anything, should the united states be doing to get rid of bashar al assad? assuming that's what the u.s. wants? >> we are going to have to determine what is the end state we want? this war needs to be ended as rapidly as possible. that's the bottom line. but if the americans go in, if the americans take leadership, if the americans take ownership of this, it's going to be a full-throated, very, very serious war. we need to be very clear about our military end state contributing to wh...

Time. he's intraspective, focused -- the way i described jim mattis, the guy to take you to the objective, desired end state and walk back from that and everybody's going to figure how to lyn rhe lyn r linearly get there. >> and you don't often hear a description of blunt or -- jim sciutto, of course. but -- so straight-talking. >> yeah. >> but very thoughtful and not going to mince words. right? >> the thing about generals today, spdr marks in that category. you go out in the field or in the pentagon, today's generals are the most educated people i know. i'll tell you. more masters degrees th...

It's a paradox and trump bringing it up, it feeds the republican base that loves to go to war mentality but it doesn't get you to an end state that changes it much. it makes democrats stronger for her and reminds republicans that bill clinton is a guy who spent a lot of time on sex slave island. >> so much to respond to here, joy, that i'm not sure -- go ahead. >> known quantities maybe if you read world net daily. but i think one important point in that giuliani analogy, he dumped his wife on national television at the time he was quitting his campaign. having run against hillary clinton and ...

Move a lot of republican voters any further than they have been. everybody knows bad touch bill clinton. everybody knows this is a guy who engaged in behavior over a course of a decades that would put most people in jail. what it does is bring democrats home to hillary that we've seen in previous lixs. in 2012, we saw in focus groups that when you brought it up that bill clinton was a bad actor in a million different ways, what happened is people say yeah, we like him still and we like her. it's a paradox and trump bringing it up, it feeds the republican base that loves to go to war mentality ...

Been that there is a necessary requirement for ground forces if you are going to try to defeat, and the strategy has not been sufficient. it has not been following with what the president has indicated us to do, and not resourced, and so if you want the defeat something, you have to be on the ground to pull it apart, and guess what, there are some ugly results as a result of that, and it starts with the desired and the very clear picture of what that desired end state needs to be. if it is defeat, you have to have ground sources, and now you are in the direction of who is in the lead, and can ...