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Influence. you have seen the. this is an administration that has not taken ethics seriously and it is going to catch up to them at a certain point. >> do you think there is -- i talked to someone, a young up and coming conservative in washington at one point who was not going to work for the administration because they were afraid they would end up with criminal exposure. how much does the sort of specter of that loom over all of this? >> i'm not sure how much. i mean, look, as i see it, corey lou endown sky is three or four of the central characters in this piece. i actually take the view tha...

Are running the risk of tripping over. >> well, and it is not only that people who are trying to influence. you have seen the. this is an administration that has not taken ethics seriously and it is going to catch up to them at a certain point. >> do you think there is -- i talked to someone, a young up and coming conservative in washington at one point who was not going to work for the administration because they were afraid they would end up with criminal exposure. how much does the sort of specter of that loom over all of this? >> i'm not sure how much. i mean, look, as i see it, corey lou ...