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What we destroy or degrade the capability of regime forces, certainly we're doing that and there is some benefit to the opposition. but we do not operate in direct support of the opposition forces. >> can you explain that to me? >> i can only imagine what general hamm is going through and particularly his tactical commanders. they try to square that circle. and at what point are gadhafi forces representing a clear and present danger to civilians as opposed to opposed enemy force from the opposition? it must be very difficult right now to apply the rules of engagement in the way that general ha...

And at what point are gadhafi forces representing a clear and present danger to civilians as opposed to opposed enemy force from the opposition? it must be very difficult right now to apply the rules of engagement in the way that general hamm suggested. and as stephen and i are saying, in for a penny, in for a pound. this isn't over until gadhafi is gone. we need to square up our means with our objectives. >> i think the way the administration is trying to do that is this -- they are trying particularly going after the ground targets, the tanks, artillery and the like. they're trying to send a...

Force, if you will. it's sort of appropriate when we're talking about ncaa college basketball and the big dance and the final four. this is sort of the equivalent of a division 3 college basketball team or maybe even a high school basketball team taking on the miami heat or the los angeles lakers. it's that kind of discrepancy we're talking about. but you know what? if you have an air defense system, surface-to-air missiles, stringers, you can still get lucky when you shoot down an american plane. >> never done well underestimating what an enemy force can do. >> you can get lucky, if you will....

We acknowledge that mistakes were made and they weren't comfortable parents, even parent with military experience second guessing what happened on the battlefield. in the valley of eastern afghanistan in 2007, the soldiers of chosen companies suffered serious casualties defending isolated outposts. >> they were sitting ducks. >> reporter: they were nearing the end of their 15-month deployment when intelligence reports indicated a huge enemy force was massing. army commanders decided to close the combat post and build a new base in a village called wanot. >> everybody knew it was a terrible spo...

Suffered serious casualties defending isolated outposts. >> they were sitting ducks. >> reporter: they were nearing the end of their 15-month deployment when intelligence reports indicate a huge enemy force was massive. army commanders decided to close the increasingly unstable combat base. >> it was a terrible spot, everyone knew it was a terrible spot to put a base. >> his words were it's a suicide mission. >> reporter: four days into the mission to set up winot at 4:00 in the morning, the attack came. >> the whole world was exploding around you. >> reporter: at least 200 insurgent fighters ...