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What arthur called the most determiningo dangerous hour. that was entirely about national security and avoiding armageddon. that was a case where this worked. a case where it didn't work was in the middle of the 1980s when the council under president reagan went rogue and operational and through the israelis, a number of staffers tried to establish a secret channel to iranian moderates and we know how well that turned out. that led to iran contra. this, however, i don't think is like the others. neither of those examples ever potentially included the enrichment of the first family. also by my ...

Robert kennedy reporting only to his brother used a soviet cutout to exchange messages outside channels at the most dangerous hour in human history. that was a back channel that was entirely about national security and avoiding armageddon. that was a case where this worked. a case where it did not work was in the middle of the 1980s when the national security council went rogue, went operational and through israelis tried to establish a secret channel to iranian moderates. we know how well that turned out. that led to iran contra. and this, however, i don't think is like the others. neither of...

And also by my count, it never -- at least if the conversations as reported were never about entirely leaving them in the control of enemy intelligence. >> or a 36 year old real estate scion from new york married to the president's daughter. it is as if fdr's aid had married the president's daughter and been born into a great privilege in new york. >> right. and as we all know, as you say diplomacy is full of back channels and full of the great diplomatic chapters. the cuban missile crisis in many ways was resolved because there were conversations taking place outside the executive committee o...

Conversations as reported were never about entirely leaving them in the control of enemy intelligence. >> or a 36 year old real estate scion from new york married to the president's daughter. it is as if fdr's aid had married the president's daughter and been born into a great privilege in new york. >> right. and as we all know, as you say diplomacy is full of back channels and full of the great diplomatic chapters. the cuban missile crisis in many ways was resolved because there were conversations taking place outside the executive committee of the national security council in october of 1962...

Pearl harbor taught america what it didn't know could hurt it very much. a need to be up on enemy intelligence. >> this form of stretchry shall never again endanger us. >> after world war ii, the cold war and threat of global comm e communism. out of a debate ultimately calm the national security agency. or nsa. in the 1950s, the spy center so secretive, the joke was the initials stood for no such agency. >> what did the president know and when did he know it? >> after watergate, however, people wanted to know what the spy agencies were really up to. in 1975, general lou allen became the first...