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>> let me ask you, given that, the president had an opportunity to act in that space earlier this year and sanction and therefore block nord stream 2, which is a way this many americans, many europeans see that russia keeps energy leverage over europe. was it a mistake for biden at the time not to block that? >> it is too bad that former german chancellor gerhard schroder personally benefited by going to russia and becoming a client of the russian state in pushing this pipeline. we have very strong alliances, our strongest alliance is with nato, democratic republics on thecontinent. this up en...

Don't want to make ourselves dependent on russia and that any circumstances. but russia was a source of gas during the cold war and it will remain so today without us entering into one sided dependants. chancellor mackey was reacting to a call from the u.s. ambassador in berlin richard grinnell to abandon the north stream to find plan project the pipeline will run from russia under the baltic sea and supply gas directly to germany it's set to go into operation later this year in an opinion piece written for richard grinnell along with two other u.s. ambassadors in europe said the project would...

To build the infrastructure to further diversify their sources of natural gas away from russia. >> but weaning itself off russian gas is very much a long-term project for europe, and if germany, as the economic powerhouse of the region, doesn't want to pick an economic fight with russia, the rest of europe, shep, will fall in line with the german lead. shep? >> jonathan hunt with the energy leverage that putin has. thanks. now to the money leverage. an astounding -- or i shouldn't say accusation, but seemed like a promise today from the russians saying, don't mess with us, because if you do, w...