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Attorney. when you hear the discussion about white supremacist terrorism and see the arrests, what are you thinking about the kind of policy regime you want to see? >> well, thank you, chris. i'm so glad you're having this conversation. what i think is very much connected to what you said, that it was the marshaling of the power of the federal government that played the most important role in pushing back white supremacists violence and terror. you describe the enforcement acts and the klu klux klan acts. these were passed during reconstruction. the first passed since reconstruction was the ci...

Country. when andrew johnson was president at the time and sort of tacitly, wink, wink, nudging this violence he would go around to speak and the crowds would heckle him and say what about new orleans? what about memphis? what about the white terrorism in the south you're doing nothing about? when johnson was succeeded by grant, the republicans had to pass three separate pieces of legislation to enforce the law against white terrorists themselves. they actually called them the enforcement acts. like, no, seriously, we mean it. and the third enforcement act was called the klu klux klan act. it'...

Them to. and california requires to give notice to the employees before i.c.e. comes to inspect their workplace. this law was before the general assembly, a judicial committee explicitly stated that its goal was to frustrate and expected increase in federal immigration and enforcement acts, which of course it was. it was designed to frustrate to the work that we were required to do under the laws of this country. i.c.e. agents are federal law enforcement officers carrying out federal law. california cannot forbid them or obstruct them in doing their jobs. just imagine if a state passed a law f...

15th amendments that were supposed to free the slaves, give everybody the right to vote, make men at least all equal in the south. despite those rights existing on paper, though, they absolutely didn't exist in real life and in a lot of places in the country, particularly in the former confederate states, it was a reign of terror. i don't mean that as a metaphor. literally thousands of americans were killed in political and racist violence after the end of the civil war in the lead-up to that 1868 election. and in the end, it wasn't close. grant won it. in 1870 to 1871, he signed these enforce...

And part of the way grant tried to do that was a new set of laws called the enforcement acts. i mean, by that point, we had the emancipation proclamation, freeing the slaves, the 14th and 15th amendments that were supposed to free the slaves, give everybody the right to vote, make men at least all equal in the south. despite those rights existing on paper, though, they absolutely didn't exist in real life and in a lot of places in the country, particularly in the former confederate states, it was a reign of terror. i don't mean that as a metaphor. literally thousands of americans were killed i...