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>> the groups targeted are pulling together and filing lawsuits against the irs. do you think they have a case? >> i think they should have a case. this precedent should be established to make sure this does not happen again. you have to have a system of checks and balances so when there's an abuse of government and federal short like this, there's somebody who hold them in check. >> how do they get to the bottom of it if the irs can't audit or investigate itself, the attorney general is under fire for the first block we talked about. how can the administration deal with this, greg? is it just...

Pulling together and lots of them are starting to file lawsuits. do you think they have a case. >> kimberly: there should be a case. there should be precedent established to to make sure it didn't happen again. so when there is abuse of federal government and federal authority like this, there is somebody to hold them in check. >> dana: how do they get to the bottom of it? the attorney general is under fire. how can the administration deal with this? is it the fox guarding the hen house. >> greg: i don't follow. can i go back. which was cummings saying he is worried about the audits. here you ...

>> the groups targeted are pulling together and filing lawsuits against the irs. do you think they have a case? >> i think they should have a case. this precedent should be established to make sure this does not happen again. you have to have a system of checks and balances so when there's an abuse of government and federal short like this, there's somebody who hold them in check. >> how do they get to the bottom of it if the irs can't audit or investigate itself, the attorney general is under fire for the first block we talked about. how can the administration deal with this, greg? is it just...

They don't have the treasury secretary out and they are trying to downplay this to say well, it wasn't that bad and in fact it is really the supreme court's fault and the president didn't know anything about it and it is just over here and we will take care of it because they as pfeiffer points out the ramifications are huge and huge not just for the president's agenda but for the application of the first term agenda which is to say his healthcare law. >> shannon: and there has been a lot of discussion about the fact that at one point the person who was heading up the tax exempt organization i...

Anxt about the overreach of the irs. >> the democrats, even leader pelosi came out horrified about what happened in ohio. but that's a far cry from wanting to sort of strip the irs of all of its ability to implement obamacare because that gets rid of obamacare. >> it may be but when they hear from their constituents, they are concerned what we are hearing through our phones and e-mails, their constituents are worried and fearful that the irs will be the administrative arm, the enforcement arm of the president's healthcare law and they won't stand for it. >> couldn't be a worse time to have the...