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Interest rates. so derivatives tends to be structured in specialized ways. creating a platform, for example, will not keep us from having the kind of fraud that we had with paulson and company if you do term. >> alleged fraud at the moment. >> alleged fraud, correct. because the issue here is somebody hiding information. you're going the hide that information whether you seek a buyer, calling them on the phone or platform. >> back to bernie madoff, whether or not you think the s.e.c. did its job, bernie madoff broke laws. those laws were not enforced. that's an enforcement issue as opposed to ...

Law? >> no. there's no question that the majority in the house of representatives are going to have significant strings. they're going to have issues dealing with more and more enforcement. they're going to try to turn the package, which is -- deals also with humanitarian relief and aid to those countries, into something that is purely an enforcement issue. i think that's going to be the debate in front of congress. it is about children. i think that should move some people to consider due diligence in the law to make sure that we are protecting and providing custodial support for these childr...

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