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>> right. how long does that take? that's what i mean. >> they have six months to create -- >> how long getting everything secure? >> obviously that whole ten-year period is something we're looking at. but here's what happens, if the department of homeland security does not secure the border, does not meet that met rix of 100% awareness and 90% apprehension in the first ten years, then it goes to an issue to a commission made up of people that have to live and deal with the border and they will take care of that problem and funded to ensure that happens. if you are legally in the u.s. and you ...

do. nobody can get the support to get one of those through. do we have to look for just the possible? >> i think mission number one is to raise the debt ceiling. they cannot get away without doing that. saying they're going to downgrade you. but they left a bit of an out. if you raise the ceiling but give indication you're on the road to getting a deal, we'll keep you on credit watch negative but take you off and affirm your aaa rating if you get it done within a couple of months if we see that possibility. so that's -- that seems to me to be the fallback plan for congress. weather t...

jeanne, first question, is it time to simply say, let's go for the possible in washington? everybody has grand ideas about what they want to do. nobody, nobody can get the support to get one of those through. do we have to look for just the possible? >> i think the mission of everyone in congress is to absolutely raise the debt ceiling. they cannot get away without doing that. the s&p has been the strongest credit rating agency. they said, we're going to downgrade you if you don't come up with a plan. but they say f you raise the ceiling but give us indication that you're on the road...