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Hate russia and believe there needs to be a very tough anti-russia policy. is our international outlook now just part of our tribal approach to domestic politics? >> that's partyism where you adopt the whole sort of roster of issues. if it's associated with your power, now that party identification is transcending that with other commonalities. what's really north worthy about russia's approach, it goes back to the old soviet tactics. our adversaries, and this is true with other leading powers in prior ages, they understand that our division is good for them. so what has russia done apart from...

In the debt record still stands. it is not going away. so, really, who is juicing who? the guy who did so stick a needle in his behind with his money or the guys judging him who have been sticking a bigger needle in all of us, with our money? and my guest, why that is not right. it is ironic, is it not? >>guest: very ironic. you hit the nail on the head. our government is the dope. big dope. we have $16 trillion in debt. why is the government enter veering in whether lance armstrong used drug enhancing drugs, if you will, if his tour de france competition? uci is the governing body for cycling...