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You have the enthusiasm factor. the guy with the excitement. the advantage on that is bernie sanders. he is e the one energizing the base in the democratic party. certainly he has a lot of ground to try and regain among the traditional democratic base. african-americans and others throughout this which are voters specifically here in south carolina. there's also the trump attacks on hillary and bill clinton. taking their toll on hillary clinton's campaign. clinton fatigue setting in. there's also the anti-establishment factor going on here. and certainly as that relates to donald trump's exper...

Weaknesses that hillary clinton has as a candidate, but not only how poorly she contrasts to him, and brings to the forefront what a terrible secretary of state she was from him, and that is a contrast, and the clinton foundation are things that are going to be dog iging them throughout the election. and the democrats are needing an enthusiasm factor, and so they bring mim out, and it is going to be worse when they find out they have to vote for her, and there is no enthusiasm for it. >> and so now sh, mo, is there risk of too much bill clinton on the stump? >> well, she is the candidate, and ...

Martha that the president effectively endorsed her this weekend saying she would be an excellent president. martha: did you think he was even thousandsd did youthink he was ent think it was enough. but both and katie are right. she can't really run on the obama foreign policy and she made clear in her book that she has differences on syria on the overall direct of american foreign policy with the president. the real issue is where does she come out on congressional oversight of the iran deal and the deal itself if it is struck. martha: i'm wondering about the enthusiasm factor in general.

We came two points away from taking it. i was very encouraged by pennsylvania. i think there's a tremendous amount of activity there. the party is really energized. every group that we met with the crowds are really enthusiastic. they feel like they are relevant all of a sudden, all the talk about ohio, all the talk about florida, all of a sudden they are relevant. i think the party people, i think we have the enthusiasm factor on our side so we can pull it out. >> i have gotten the internals, i have seen them. right now it's tied. you saw the crowd last night. very interesting as we come down...

Will take nevada -- >> no, no, i picked mitt romney not to get nevada. martha: with the exception of nevada. >> yeah. martha: show me the pocket that you believe he wins in mitt romney that people are not expecting that got you to this number. >> i think if you look at ohio, which everybody has identified as a key target state, the polls have been running just about even in ohio, most of them. those that show obama with a bigger lead also have an election threat that looks more democratic than the 2008 election threat in ohio. i think that is unlikely. early release of the early voting total n...