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Based off those models she and i worked on together. so john breaux, a democrat from louisiana and bob kerrey, those are ideas those guys were putting out there in the 1990s. i took so many ideas from the fiscal commission. we took dozens of proposals and recommendations from the fiscal commission that erskine bowles and allan simpson shared. so we are taking ideas from both political parties and putting them in this budget plan to go forward. i'm trying to get to a consensus on how best to achieve these goals, how best to pay off the debt, get the economy growing and make these entitlement pr...

Votes counted. and clearly, when he talks that entitlement stuff, that is far, far off to the right. and clearly, what he is trying to do is trying to figure out a way to do away with section 5 of the voting rights act. but i can tell you, ed, i don't think that's going to happen. but when you listen to the questions and the discussions that happened today in the supreme court, i can tell you as a lawyer, it does concern me where the court is going, particularly when we have justice roberts questioning whether the congress should be making these decisions. so basically, what they were saying w...

And you raise revenue. >> don't you want to do that as you lower individual taxes. you close loopholes and you give money back to people so they can spend and spend rationally. >> well, i think -- well, i don't care about that. if you start doing it piecemeal, then you are raising taxes. >> neil: i guess i'm the only one in scoring a deal here. if part of the deal is we go after democrats and say you show no flexibility on some of these social programs and the like or in entitlements, we're going to show a little bit of willingness to open up on revenues, not to increase tax rates. i agree wit...