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>> in a weird way, he's giving cartels this line that gives them increased business by threatening a policy we know doesn't work which is deterrence. >> and congresswoman, let me ask you, do we know if the apprehensions or the spike is the turning away at the port of entry. if you are turning people away, you are going to increase between ports of entry apprehension which will boost the numbers. do we have any breakdown from dhs about what is happening wide receiver? >> i don't have a break down. it is something i wanted to follow up with the secretary today but didn't have time. i had way mor...

Doesn't work which is deterrence. >> and congresswoman, let me ask you, do we know if the a apprehensions or the spike is the turning away at the port of entry. if you are turning people away, you are going to increase between ports of entry apprehension which will boost the numbers. do we have any breakdown from dhs about what is happening wide receiver? >> i don't have a break down. it is something i wanted to follow up with the secretary today but didn't have time. i had way more questions than i had time but that is something we'll look into. >> and was she truthful today before your commi...