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It stands at risk of not being counted. this not only affects the billions, but the planning for social security and how are we going to make sure it remains solvent. planning for the future and where the money will go. i think any move to violate what the court has said and the enumeration clause is really important. >> you make a good point that this is so much broader as geoff said than the count and the implications are tremendous. you have the axios reporting about the action that all things are on the table . is that legal? >> i don't think so. it shouldn't be surprising though. the supr...

The time. what does the president have a strong legal argument at all? >> almost none. he is showing a lot of resolve with fighting this and continuing to fight it. that helps them with his base, and it sends a strong message to those who are here illegally do not respond to the census. but i don't think you can stop that with executive order. i think the courts will decide that violates the enumeration clause. that's the clause which requires a census to be done every ten years. i don't think you can, by executive order, overrule that where the decision of the supreme court by just saying, "b...

Exactly what this guy does. >> jonathan, to be fair, the supreme court did say the administration could try again by coming up with a more persuasive argument. obviously their argument that this was going to make everything fair was completely contradicted by the evidence, but that's different than an executive order, which is not about doing the legwork, not about coming up with an alternative argument. what do you make of where this is going? >> this is a very unusual area of the law, chris. i'm not a lawyer, but i certainly talk to them pretty frequently. if you look at the constitution, en...

Congressional districts. >> to scare people who have family members who are undocumented into not participating, and therefore not building up the population of those areas where they live. >> correct. and the census itself is about counting heads. it's not about counting citizens. i don't think everyone understands that. it's not like that is impossible. >> yhave you have a congressionl seat that represents 600,000 people? >> under the enumeration clause, it's about counting people. it doesn't forbid getting additional questions on the census form. that's the issue. >> do you think the averag...

2020 census. that doesn't mean it won't happen eventually, but for right now, as we face up against this july 1st printing deadline, the supreme court is saying, hold on, we need more explanation from the commerce department about why they want this question added and we're going to send it back to the lower court. that's the southern district of new york, the federal court in manhattan. this is quite astonishing, really, because of this tight deadline we're under. today is june 27th and the census bureau needed to start printing these questions for the 2020 census by july 1st, within a matter...