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General election, to be quite honest. >> me too. >> no, i think mayor pete's playing this very smart. he's looking at it and saying, look, we're not going to veer so far left to progressive policies that don't exist for our electorate, and he's going after joe biden trying to occupy that space. so if joe biden falters, who's going to pick up that pieces? mayor pete's, i think, been playing it smart. but if he can't perform on the stage, and it's a big stage, you're going to see someone else entering the race whether it be hillary clinton -- kristin: wow, you're dropping clinton. >> well, i hap...

Coalition which was truly representative of america that successfully elected him in 2008, sent him back to the white house in 2012, and it's up to our candidates at the top to rebuild that coalition against donald trump. kristin: now, eric, there are still two women that are going to be on that stage, one gay man, mayor pete buttigieg. do you agree with kevin that this is a problem for the democratic party, eric? >> well, it's a problem of their own making. they've practiced an identity politics, and i would hope they would have a merit-based primary election. the real reason camilla heifers ...

Front-runner in the democratic primary, and i also don't think we've seen the last candidate come out, whether it be hillary clinton or michelle obama. i think that the democrats have a real problem when they're, you know, going away to the progressive side talking about medicare for all. a, a messaging problem and impeachment's not going to help that. kristin: kevin? >> yeah, to eric's point, i think a number of our candidates are neck and neck with the president, so is i am hopeful that any one of the top tier candidates can taken on this president and win. we saw a flash of kind of anger fr...

As he is. >> julie: kristen i think it's fair to say o'malley was out of line. the question is whether it's unfair to confront administration official over a controversial policy. >> i think in the other instances with sarah huckabee sanders and that was not something that should happen. i do think that, you know, you should be able to, particularly talk to your elected officials. that's their job. they answer to their constituents. in that way, i think you should be able to talk to the elected officials but not berated them in public. >> julie: eric, i got the mainstream media take. michelle ...

Ideas and merits of why you think some of these certain policies are wrong and by the way this particular policy, i believe, started in the obama administration. >> but that's for a different conversation. then if you are going to resort to this kind of bullying tactics, that's only going to play in the republican and donald trump's hand. "times" columnist michelle goldberg i saw the article. it was out of line. this seems to happen again and again when democrats are not able to debate against conservatives or what the ideas are. >> julie: cirs stone -- left wing violence that's ridiculous. wh...