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Like i have no idea that we could have broken through. but it was just a warning. and i don't think i took it seriously enough at the time, chris, i really don't. it was -- it was icky when i think back on it, but it was really, really a warning. >> yeah. and i mean the control here is the only other thing that i'll say here is that there also -- they live in fear of losing their audience. that's the other thing. there's control and there's monopoly but because they don't have real competition like everyone else in the media does, eric, we saw it a little bit with oan and newsmax and all of th...

Regime, precisely the policy they're railing against. they won't say that. they won't say anything about their bosses because they're too cowardly. instead what they're doing is pushing poison into people's brains that gets them sick. this is where both the modern enterprise of fox news and the conservative movement more broadly have ended up. the most acute threat to american democracy we have seen in 150 years. so happy 25th anniversary, guys. you did it. i want to bring in two people who have been studying the detrimental effect of fox news for years, joan walsh where she's written about ...