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Interested in telling the truth and cooperating with the committee. but that would be a bold move and a brave move and the right thing to do for eastman. he could in many ways play the role of a john dean here. he is a well educated lawyer, clerked for a fine judge which we will hear in the hearings. but that's not likely what we will hear as we move into the pence world part of these hearings. we will hear about a sustained campaign to convince the vice president to do something illegal in order to steal the election for trump and the premise for all of this, and what i anticipate we will hea...

Not what, win. >> it's stunning. whiskey tango foxtrot, it took me a minute. i got it. what a minute. oh. elliott, this is from the committee's tape testimony. there was trump white house attorney, eric hirschman. there's jerry kushner saying that he told trump that he went to go along with giuliani and there is a trump campaign are saying that law firms were comfortable with giuliani's claims. here it is. >> what they were proposing, i thought it was nuts. the theory was also completely nuts. a combination of italians and germans in different things that are floating around as to who was invo...

Far-flung conspiracies with a deceased venezuelan communist allegedly pulling the strings. this was, quote, complete none sense, as bill barr said. president trump's own campaigned a vie visors department of justice and cybersecurity experts all told him the same thing. here is eric hirschman, he was a member of the trump team who we interviewed. >> i thought the dominion stuff was -- i never saw any evidence to sustain those allegations. >> and third, as mike pence's staff started to get a sense for what donald trump had planned for january 6th they called the campaign experts to give them a ...

Today watches bill barr and thinks this is a way a lawyer should behave. the testimony is important. it helps show that donald trump had a certain mens rea that he had a criminal intent and he was blowing off all these people who said we've investigated there and we can't find any -- any factual corroboration for your claims about election fraud. all of that is helpful. it is really late, though, 18 months later, and i expect more from the attorney general of the united states. >> you know, joyce, when neal puts it that way it takes your breath away that he was the attorney general of the unit...