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♪ ♪ >> kimberly: welcome back to "the five." so we have solyndra, sun powe power, and now a third. obama administration grants $529 million loan to the electric car company. it doesn't sound so bad at first, right? listen to this. the cars aren't being made in the usa. no. bob, this is true. frightening but true. they're being manufacturered in -- wait for it -- finland. how is that for stimulation of the good old usa. >> bob: i better rick has something to say about this. >> eric: i do. this is a couple of years old. half a billion each for the electric car companies. and neither one of t...

There i think is a bad ad to run for romney. >> kimberly, there is a subtle message saying rick perry isn't as good as barack obama. >> kimberly: very odd. that was a terrible ad. i thought it was awful. i feel like i could make it on my computer upstairs. that's saying something! i don't think it's effective at all. it looked mean-spirited and pathetic. you are putting down republicans in a way, and not good. >> bob: i want -- go ahead. >> kimberly: i was going to say they're going to come back twice as strong on him. perry will come back on romney for that. >> greg: when i put it together, i...

Crime is over. >> bob: the rapes went up in the city and if you took the police force out, do you think it would go down? >> eric: so when biden is trying to push a jobs bill, he should say things like if you don't pass the jobs bill, rapes will go up? >> bob: absolutely. because what you are doing is keeping police and firemen -- [ overtalk ] >> bob: if you want to be around and associated with a party that keeps teach them -- go ahead. shove it down your throat. >> eric: you are the first democrat to defend him. everyone else said he went too far. >> bob: they must be a bunch of chicken -- i...

Loud. >> andrea: crazy. >> bob: that is the story of my life. eric, you think he should give back the peace prize? >> eric: i'm trying to figure out what the nobel peace prize gets. >> bob: don't worry about. it you ain't going to get it. >> eric: troops to afghanistan. he uses the drones. by the way, i think the drone program is fantastic. i wish you would credit george bush and say bush was the one who put all the infrastructure in place. yes, the obama -- [ inaudible ] absolutely. number one, credit bush and number two, say look, maybe we could use it. would it kill them to agree to that? >...

>> eric: i hear another bet coming out. by these times this year neither one of these companies will be -- >> bob: that's not true. >> eric: tesla the other $500 million loan, you know who one of their big, one of the founders ely musk, huge obama donor as well. >> bob: so what? al gore in elick cars, is that a big sport? you think they are going to insnares the industry? this is a guy, his position. of course he invests in it. secondly, if you want to make the bet, i said it would be finished next year. when they start mass producer cars i don't know. >> i tell you what, i'll say -- why don't...