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>> bob: no, not with cancer. more people ripped off by more different quacks as you pointed out. we have to make a distinction there is some legitimate alternative medicines that have been around for a long time. st. john's wort is proven help against depression. steve mcqueen, if you remember mcqueen, he had stomach cancer and went to mexico for series of treatments and it killed him this story about jobs is true, it's another indictment to allow the stuff be advertise, beginning with the fact you can stop them from advertising. if it's not truth in lending. it's not. >> eric: absolutely righ...

There i think is a bad ad to run for romney. >> kimberly, there is a subtle message saying rick perry isn't as good as barack obama. >> kimberly: very odd. that was a terrible ad. i thought it was awful. i feel like i could make it on my computer upstairs. that's saying something! i don't think it's effective at all. it looked mean-spirited and pathetic. you are putting down republicans in a way, and not good. >> bob: i want -- go ahead. >> kimberly: i was going to say they're going to come back twice as strong on him. perry will come back on romney for that. >> greg: when i put it together, i...

Police force out, do you think it would go down? >> eric: so when biden is trying to push a jobs bill, he should say things like if you don't pass the jobs bill, rapes will go up? >> bob: absolutely. because what you are doing is keeping police and firemen -- [ overtalk ] >> bob: if you want to be around and associated with a party that keeps teach them -- go ahead. shove it down your throat. >> eric: you are the first democrat to defend him. everyone else said he went too far. >> bob: they must be a bunch of chicken -- i didn't say it. >> andrea: but you have run enough campaigns to know they...

So $478 billion is broken up to a bunch of bills. are any of them worthwhile? >> andrea: some are. the trade deals they did were worthwhile. things that obama had on his desk for a long time. he came out and announced the jobs bill and put in provisions that republicans could get behind, jobs for veterans, trade deals and as bob said, the payroll cut. this is something i think he will get republican support. tough to vote against it. but how does obama turn this in to a win >> eric: >> bob: he won't turn it in to a win. get tax credits. republicans will go with that. but one thing that is a re...

>> kimberly, there is a subtle message saying rick perry isn't as good as barack obama. >> kimberly: very odd. that was a terrible ad. i thought it was awful. i feel like i could make it on my computer upstairs. that's saying something! i don't think it's effective at all. it looked mean-spirited and pathetic. you are putting down republicans in a way, and not good. >> bob: i want -- go ahead. >> kimberly: i was going to say they're going to come back twice as strong on him. perry will come back on romney for that. >> greg: when i put it together, it was for my friends. >> kimberly: sorry. i s...