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Not a crime, sure, that's one thing, but he but what he's trying to wrap in that statement is not quite accurate. we clearly see that prosecutors have gone after michael cohen, they have worked with ami as copti witnesses to show these payments were meant to obviate the process and highlight the information voters needed. that is a crime, and rudy giuliani's efforts to obfuscate that do not change the facts. >> eric, when we look at the new "wall street journal" nbc poll and 70% of republicans say they do not believe the president has had necessary or a lot of contact with the russians, is the...

Republicans, 70%, do. joining me now, eric eric sony, a blogger and talk show host based in atlanta, pete dominick, host of a radio show "stand up" on sirius xm. >> you got it. >> and katie benner who covers the justice department for "the new york times." kate, let me go to you first. collusion is not a crime. corporate donation to affect an election is not a crime as says rudy giuliani, who says truth is not truth. >> yeah. first we have to take into account this is being said by rudy giuliani, and he's not been completely forthcoming in his public statements to defend the president. when he...