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To believe. so she's just going to play defense and you're going to have a lot of briefings like you had today where you're not going to get anything out of it am. >> wow, that was very insightful. >> touching on what rick said, is that clearly michael cohen overpromised and underdelivered access to the white house. and once these companies realized they weren't going to get what they paid for, they stopped doing business with him. whether or not the president knew about it or not, that's the question. in my work as a professional with an administration your job is not to provide yourself plau...

There's a question. you hear this nationalist refrain, blood and soil, that's what the country is about, which is a euphemism for this is a country about, you know, about race, who we are, what our blood is, that sort of thing. that's not what america is about. america is about, most principally, the inherent liberty and equality of all. and our whole system of government is built upon that. and to have these former presidents break that code and decide to come out and speak to reaffirm those truths, the truths upon which our entire country, again, is based, is absolutely crucial. not only for...

>> well, this is the difference between george w. bush looking at a democratic president who he knows he's going to disagree with and has policies that are very different and george w. bush fighting for the soul of the republican party. i think that's what was going on here. i mean, the comments he made, whether it had to do with immigration or whether it had to do with economic or national security policy, is all about fighting the ground. trump has gone after the establishment. he's gone after -- who's the establishment? george bush is the establishment. so donald trump has gone after him. b...

To. and we have to do our best to help those people. >> how do you help those people? >> well, i think, you know, some of it is to get them into the right places where people are trained to to that. we pray, we believe, like rick said, but some of it is out of our hands. it's got to be professional institutions to get them to, and i think that the big part of it is seeing it as a real disease, you may look fine, but you know what, there's something not clicking there. >> stay with me. i have a couple more questions. your book is called break outs. we'll talk same-sex marriage, wealth, positive...

But -- like rubio -- >> the overall legislation, as rick said, is very represses ive in its essence. the gang of eight, bipartisan consensus, will do nothing, absolutely nothing, to ameliorate the worst parts of immigration policy as far as persecuting, prosecuting, jailing, deporting, rating, terrorizing, killing immigrants. nothing except add $6 billion to increase border enforcement, add more money to i.c.e. when you get down in the details, it's not just devils but there's frankenstein and -- >> do you want to see it pass? >> in the immigrant community -- i was in a room full of afro-aleen...