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we can't have these conversations without you, so i know you are juggling a lot of things. but thank you very much for making some time to talk to us. we're grateful. e time to talk to us we're grateful . ,. >>. it to -- the to -- th according to russian state media, the criminal case against yevgeny prigozhin, the head of the wagner group, a private mercenary army in russia critical to russia's ability to wage war in ukraine, will be dropped. that's what they're saying at least. and he will be an exile in belarus. so far, it is not clear if you will actually give up leadership or co...

Because you've got this country sitting on the second largest nuclear arsenal, people should be reminded that a week and putin is not necessarily a good putin. we want that situation resolved, and i love the ambassadors words. we need to wrap this up as soon as possible. >> ambassador mcfaul, we've got a minute left and it's all yours. just tell me your feelings on the analysis. putin's most dangerous when he's winning, putin's most dangerous when he's losing, what is he ever more or less dangerous, or is he always just kind of putin? >> he is always dangerous, and when he's weak people say th...

Use of cyber against a wide away of targets in europe and the united states. and that this idea of war widening. i can imagine mr. putin to go after the baltics. conceivably poland. also conceivably a sanctuary in a place like poland that was being used to supply the ukrainian resistance. and i think the lesson of this is we've got to be prepared for all of it. we've got to think about what we might signal to russia to deter it. this is -- again, the big lesson of this is be really careful about assumptions. but what this rational leader might do is he might not be rational. >> he might not be...