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The president and his 29 colleagues will start addressing what we will do in case such escalation is forthcoming. >> i wanted to ask you about that. on the question of nuclear weapons, the kremlin spokesperson was on cnn yesterday, refused to take the option of using nuclear weapons off the table, and i just spoke with slovenia's prime minister earlier this hour about this, and his take is that he said i don't think russia will use nuclear weapons because using nuclear weapons means passing the threshold and that is the area of no return. what do you think? >> well, i hope they're right, and i...

Based on the information that they have available to them. and it is their assessment, one in which the secretary concurs that the transfer of combat aircraft right now could be mistaken by mr. putin and the russians as an escalatory step. as i said, we need to be careful every decision we make, that we aren't making the potential for escalation worse. because that's not only not good for nato and it is not only not good for the united states and our national security, should this conflict escalate even further, but it is certainly not going to be good for the ukrainian people to have what is ...

Be seen as an escalatory step so putin will not do it. do you think they are right? >> i do. it's because of the threat analysis of what's going on in ukraine right now. those aircraft are not as beneficial as ukrainian air defense capability, ground air defense because russia has some pretty good air defense systems and they have what military guys call bubbles over different parts of ukraine. the ukrainian air force is flying. they are doing a relatively good job but the transfer of migs, not a very good aircraft to ukrainian force is only going to create potentially more casualties because ...

Mitt romney who supports the plan said. take a listen. >> send these migs. and the question is, why aren't they being sent? we've had four days that this is something that is being discussed. enough talk, people are dying. send in the planes that they need. they say they need migs, people say, well, maybe that's not the ideal weapon for them. that's what they say they want. they are there. they're the ayes to determine what they want. they want migs, get them the migs. >> my understanding the concern of the part of the administration is the same concerns of other escalatory steps that this wou...

Escalatory step. now we heard from biden in what a senior official is now saying was an ad-libbed moment at the end of the speech. for god's sake this man cannot be allowed to stay in power. a white house official telling reporters what president biden meant was that president putin cannot be allowed to exert this type of coercive influence over other countries in the region. but that they were not calling for regime change or suggesting anything about who should lead russia. but that having been said, we're already hearing from the kremlin, via the spokesman, commitry pesk off who told reuter...