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>> she has self-awareness that he does not have. >> president trump has offered her an escape hatch that maybe we republicans should give her a few votes to put her in the speakership and actually, there have been some discussions among some republicans about the idea of getting some reforms and in return helping her. i think that would be enormously difficult in both parties -- >> explain that. >> explain it to either base, right? how do you pull that one off? >> it would make for an interesting situation. >> house republicans went ahead and went mccarthy instead of jordan, went with the guy ...

China where they grow up -- >> laura: and they want the passport to reinforce this point why? >> it depends on the people. one, it's an escape hatch. if things go bad in your country and you are in china or turkey you never know what is going to go on there, it's a way to get out or at least the kid out. the last helicopter off the embassy are much more likely to have your kid on it if it has a passport. also, when the kid is an adult, he gets to sponsor you for immigration. it's almost like a retirement program for some people. then they have an easier way of getting into college and finally ...

>> laura: and they want the passport to reinforce this point why? >> it depends on the people. one, it's an escape hatch. it's a way to get out or at least get the kid out. the last helicopter off the embassy are much more likely to have your kid on it if it has a passport. number two, it's almost a retirement program for some people. then they have an easier way of getting into college and finally for some people it's a way of dodging the draft. if you don't want to serve in the turkish army, and i wouldn't, this is a way -- you send your kid here. >> laura: this is not what our framers inten...

Anything and hurt anyone to get their way like they are doing with judge kavanaugh. >> i have a very open mind. i think he is an outstanding person. i think he has been treated horribly. even if you are going to bring up some of the subjects that were brought up, they didn't have to treat him so viciously and so violently as they treated him. >> never had a problem. all of a sudden let's go back to high school and then maybe before high school. >> he is flipping back and forth. >> it's mixed messages. i think he is trying to set it up so that even if kavanaugh goes down he can just blame the d...

Does pecker, which we'll get to in a second. what do you think will give the white house legal team more of a headache. one would think the "i" word. that's what trump says, he doesn't want to say impeachment, the "i" word. >> i think the potential of nonstop investigations and subpoenas will be more of a headache. >> you do? >> i think there's a lethal threat coming from the prosecution side from mueller, the southern district, the state guys here. from the possibility of the state as an escape hatch. in fact, the president does do extreme things such as pardons or firing. one thing the presi...