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Escape hatch, john. he just does not want to concede that they attacked the election, because it questions in his mind the legitimacy of his election. >> josh, from talking to people on the ground outside of the beltway, do you think that the president blaming america on the international stage, does that stick in the craw of voters? >> i think it does. and you can see this in some of the reaction to trump. but by and large, i have to be honest when i'm out in the country, russia isn't a topic that comes up a lot. >> but i see this as different. i see the russia topic -- of course it doesn't a...

Says what he really feels in a very free way, clearly telegraphing what he really feels. >> chuck schumer essentially calling it a hostage video saying the president was forced to read that. that's the world we live in today. but the white house seems to think in the earlier action from republicans on the hill, most of it seems to be, okay, we don't believe this, but at least he gave us cover to say let's move on. >> escape hatch. that's quite literally what everybody was looking for over the course of the 24-hour period. you go behind the scenes. you can talk about their public comments and c...

I don't think it's productive or good. >> and chris, to be clear, i don't like it when they do it. >> but hold on. let's bring van back in. van, here, i dealt with this last night also. i have people on the show. i want a lot of different kinds of voices. i believe it's important for people. don't shut out everybody, even if you don't agree with everything. but they're never full throated about what the president said. it's always qualified and okay. there's always an escape hatch, and then congresswoman waters says something and it's civility time. >> i have a problem because i don't like dou...

Administration -- >> look, i don't like it. i don't think it's productive or good. >> and chris, to be clear, i don't like it when they do it. >> but hold on. let's bring van back in. van, here, i dealt with this last night also. ip a lot of different voices. i believe it's important for people. don't shut out everybody, even if you don't agree with everything. but they're never full throated about what the president said. it's always qualified and okay. there's always an escape hatch, and then congresswoman waters says something and it's civility time. >> i have a problem because i don't like...

Escape hatch from the administration from a policy that the administration unilaterally administered itself. what i'm being told right now is the white house has started communicating to republican offices the broad details of what this would be. you talked about it in terms of the flores consent decree, trying to find some way around it. while it would not reverse the policy, it would allow the families to stay together through criminal proceedings. whether this would stand up in court, i don't know the answers to that. there's a lot of things in the details that are going to be important whe...