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And when the ransom wasn't paid, he killed the guy. is -- are the citizens of texas safe right now with this guy out there or trying to make a run for it to get to the border in mexico? >> well there's no question about it. this is one dangerous son of a gun, and yeah. i do think if the public come in qact him on his escape rout and, obviously, to the border that there was a serious risk for him to commit violent crime. this is a stone cold cartel killer like many we've seen over the years and his goal is to make it back to a safe haven in mexico. and he'll do anything to do that, and i think ...

And when the ransom wasn't paid, he killed the guy. is -- are the citizens of texas safe right now with this guy out there or trying to make a run for it to get to the border in mexico? >> well there's no question about it. this is one dangerous son of a gun, and yeah. i do think if the public come in qact him on his escape rout and, obviously, to the border that there was a serious risk for him to commit violent crime. this is a stone cold cartel killer like many we've seen over the years and his goal is to make it back to a safe haven in mexico. and he'll do anything to do that, and i think ...

And when the ransom wasn't paid, he killed the guy. is -- are the citizens of texas safe right now with this guy out there or trying to make a run for it to get to the border in mexico? >> well there's no question about it. this is one dangerous son of a gun, and yeah. i do think if the public come in qact him on his escape rout and, obviously, to the border that there was a serious risk for him to commit violent crime. this is a stone cold cartel killer like many we've seen over the years and his goal is to make it back to a safe haven in mexico. and he'll do anything to do that, and i think ...

And taking their escape rout and taking cover. then he went back behind the building and came out at that point after exhausting a lot of ammunition with his rifle and at that point he had a handgun, and that's when they took him down. that's when i was able to run out to mr. scalise. >> mike bishop said you were all sitting ducks. >> we were in so many ways. if not for the fact that the capitol hill police were there. he was moving in toward us, toward our only escape rout. steve scalise was a sitting duck. everyone was basically a sitting duck in many ways. there was only so many places you ...