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With him. tell me about wilkins. what are the allegations? what did he supposedly know was going on? >> well, both the irs officials in washington, especially lerner were directing them what to do and what to target. >> was wilkins doing that? was there allegations that the president's man was doing that? >> there's allegations that both of them railrowere involved in . a couple of people, other than wilkins, joseph grant who was the second head to roll in the irs has not testified. so liberal groups were targeted too but if you compare the numbers, the numbers of conservative groups targeted ...

Report back the liaison role with him. tell me about wilkins. what are the allegations? what did he supposedly know was going on? >> well, both the irs officials in washington, especially lerner were directing them what to do and what to target. >> was wilkins doing that? was there allegations that the president's man was doing that? >> there's allegations that both of them railrowere involved in . a couple of people, other than wilkins, joseph grant who was the second head to roll in the irs has not testified. so liberal groups were targeted too but if you compare the numbers, the numbers of ...