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There sufficient evidence, probable cause that there was either criminality or foreign espionage activity emanating out of trump's inner circle. >> howard? >> you mentioned the big picture at the top, ari. let me give you the big picture on this from the viewpoint of donald trump's inner circle. they think that they're in a battle with what they refer to as the deep state in washington and particularly in the intelligence communities and investigative arms to deny their legitimacy. that is, of the trump administration, the trump white house. and donald trump is a control freak. and he's in a s...

>> spies like us, facing senate threats to curb their powers. u.s. intelligence chiefs push back against charges they've gone rogue for spying on angela merkel and other leaders. >> do you believe that the allies have conducted or at any time any type of espionage activity against the united states of america, our intelligence services, our leaders or otherwise? >> absolutely. i have to say, chairman rodgers, that some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "casablanca." my god, there's gambling going on here. it's the same kind of thing. >> and our big headliners today. former hhs secr...

Their health care isn't a glitch. >> president obama will be in boston, massachusetts today to speak about the affordable care act. reportedly he'll use the massachusetts health care law as an example of how obama care can succeed. if recent revelations about the extent of the nsa spying abroad were meant to shame the country, it didn't work. director of national intelligence james clapper saying the u.s. had spied on foreign leaders for years. he says those countries have returned the favor drawing a cinematic comparison. >> do you believe the allies have conducted or at anytime any type of...

Personal cell phone of germany's chancellor angela merkel. take a listen. >> it's one of the first things i learned in intel school in 1963. this is the fundamental given in the intelligence business. leadership intentions, no matter what level you're talking about. that can be military leaders as well. >> do you believe the allies have conducted or at any time any time of espionage activity against the united states of america, our intelligence services, our leaders or otherwise? >> absolutely. >> we will analyze this exchange at this hearing in just a matter of minutes. plus, forget the bu...

Allies have conducted or at any time, any type of espionage activity against the united states of america, intelligence services, leaders or otherwise? >> absolutely. >> do we know of any cases of this actually happening in recent years? >> well, i don't know that i can talk openly in terms of what we know about our foreign intelligence agencies and how they operate and target people in the united states? but i think it would be naive to presume that they are not very active in trying to collect on us even though we are allies. it does happen. at the same time, i have a concern about this pote...