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Espionage cases, which are literally classified as top secret, the rules can be stretched, you know, counselor access may come, let's say after they interrogate the journalist . there are many things that can happen, but i know one that i speak to as experience in this thinks that this is going to be ended quickly, in fact, the reverse. i think this is going to be a very long and arduous period. jill we only have a couple of moments left. but if you were still a bureau chief, would you pull your journalists out right now? uh, i would be very concerned. yes definitely, especially for americans,...

I keep waiting to see when some prosecutor will be able to plant her feet in the well of a courtroom, and argue to 12 people in the jury box sitting as the conscience of the community, and begin presenting this evidence. there is a prerequisite to us getting to that point. it's an indictment. as neil said, if i had top secret documents, i handled espionage cases, with the tss clearance. i was scared to death i was going to say anything that would inadvertently run afoul the rules that i had to abide by. we would be in jail, lickety-split. i await the department of justice to get to a point whe...

Talking about this case. that tells you something. but there is another possible issue here. former fbi assistant director of counter intelligence. frank, says this information is so highly classified. it could be difficult, or even impossible, to bring into a court case. >> this information and these markings indicate that it is so sensitive, so sensitive, that it's going to become problematic to prosecute trump for this, i have numerous cases in my career, and they say i oversaw all espionage cases. the agency came to us and said, yes you caught the guy but this can't ever see the light of d...

Prosecuted espionage cases. there are scenarios where the material you have in front of you is so incredibly sensitive, that the agency where it originated says they will support a prosecution. it can't see the light of day, it can't go to a defense attorney, it can't go to a jury. even if you clear everybody they don't want this getting out into the public record. so, in this case however, there is good news. which is, good news bad news. we have 184 classified documents from which prosecutors can choose and say, and this is the irony, alicia rate, you have this sensitive stuff that many said...

These intelligent breaches over the years a really serious. whether it's wikileaks, or the hansen affair, or aims -- when we had spies in our midst. all of these are damaging when we try to convince someone to spy for the united states. but i think it's important to get to the bottom of it too. there's some wild speculation in the media. some people are saying it's the worst it's ever been. some people are -- >> what do you mean the worst it's ever been? what do you mean? >> it's on par with some really huge espionage cases. we have to take a step back, it's important because it does matter wh...