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One final point, jake, i fear that institutions on which we rely are being injured and it may take a long time for those institutions to come back, even after we get beyond this. >> well, and i believe, and correct me if i'm wrong, but you're probably not only talking about the institution of the free press, but the institution of the intelligence community from which you come, which has also been attacked many, many times by president trump. >> so, look, you had this operating in parallel here. you've got the undercutting of the legitimacy of the free press. and over here you've got the presi...

Surrounding john allen in afghanistan, there are lots of new questions being asked about how the scandal could affect the future of the cia and the covert community. joining me with insight is former cia operative who is also the author of a new spy novel. let's talk about this, michael, because someone who has close tabs to the espionage community and this is playing out basically better than fiction, as we watch the details come out about this, what are people inside of the intelligence community saying and reacting to what we were watching with the general petraeus and also general allen? >...