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Resigning there was still 25% of the country that was behind him, too. there is always going to be an immovable core that stays. for them the reality is whatever trump says it is. i don't understand the logic of this contradiction he keeps demonstrating. if you have already got the 25 or 30% what is the logic between brazingly lying and distributing falsehoods when you are not lying. >> obviously the whole spygate thing is another one. and he's not helped by -- >> that goes to the conspiracy theory of paranoia. >> it does. but it's -- you have like two members of congress that pushed back on i...

Saying yes, but we don't have details yet. >> pardon me for using the espionage term. i didn't mean to link it to them. i'm read so many of the post headlines it's just in my brain now. the breaking story that we just had about leaving the island of cypr cyprus. how important is it for officials to nap this guy and question him? >> the key thing is this ban has all of these connecting threads and this fellow was the money man. he was plainly the conduit between them and moscow central station in terms of their intelligence. so he's very important, but you get the sense as you watch what's happ...

Inserted into the campaign, have you seen any evidence of that? >> i have not. that's an espionage term. that's not a law enforcement term. >> what about trump's claim that the fbi acted improperly because of their anti-trump bias. listen to this. >> i am each more convinced that the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got and that it has nothing to do with donald trump. >> and what about the president's claim this that was part of a witch-hunt? >> think about what the president said. he said i didn't clued with russia but if anyone ...

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Have you seen any evidence of that? >> i have not. that's an espionage term, not a law enforcement term. >> you believe the fbi acted properly in this matter? >> based on what i have seen, i don't know what the fbi could have done or should have done other than run out a lead that someone loosely connected with the campaign was making assertions about russia. >> rudy giuliani also saying that trey gowdy has drunk the cool aide, he's drinking the kool-aid when he decided to say that. have you been feeding trey gowdy the kool-aid? what do you think of his fairly definitive pronouncement on this?...