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Attack rather than kicking a dead political horse. now, my view is that this is about how trump will govern. but what do you think in terms of essential argument and how central it will be in this election? >> well, with all due respect to senator romney, and i do respect him. i think that a campaign is what you may get. and when we talk about democracy and why january 6th was important, we have to convey to people what it means to them. so i see his point just in isolation this is not enough. but what it means to them, for democracy, it's about freedom. it's about, he says, trump says, obamac...

Attack rather than kicking a dead political horse. now, my view is that this is about how trump will govern. but what do you think in terms of essential argument and how central it will be in this election? >> well, with all due respect to senator romney, and i do respect him, i think that a campaign is what you may get. and when we talk about democracy and why january 6th was important, we have to convey to people what it means to them. so i see his point just in isolation, this is not enough. but what it means to them, for democracy, it's about freedom. it's about, he says, trump says, obama...

Trump's lawyers say this is an accelerated time line and they can't be prepared. is that actually an accelerated time line? >> not particularly for a one defendant case in which you basically have three violations of law alleged. it is a big case, a case with a significant amount of discovery, but that sort of stuff is cut through every day in federal courts around the country. >> understood. okay. ben, mark meadows, his essential argument here, i should say his defense lawyer's argument, is that his duties as a member of the executive branch included what he was up to here including joining t...

Win the republican nomination, two, question marks, three, become president. seems your essential argument is he's winning the far right of the party, but without setting himself up for being able to win a coalition to actually win the presidency. explain why you think so. >> well, as governor of florida ron desantis played a double game, he both nodded to the far right of the republican party, supported anti-vaccination -- promoted an anti-vaccination surgeon general, fed all kinds of anti-vax paranoia, but at the same time he delivered results for more moderate voters. he invested heavily in...

The country on the virus at 2:00 p.m. today, he also is navigating build back better bill and joe manchin. what's on tap for today and what is he expected to deliver as a message to americans at 2:00 today? >> it's a perilist moment for this president. his essential argument during the campaign beyond the nation of donald trump was to restore a real sense of competence and faith in the government that can do big things for people. democracy can work. right now with inflation up and test sites at long hours and the break down for now of his agenda. there is some hope as we reported last night a...