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Actions and words with a haughty yet pate trriotism and honor. president trump's national politics, same time hard to escape conclusion mccain and his republican cohortses helped midwife a conservative politics they now so clearly loathe. it would seem to some that you're saying in a sense that the chickens are coming home to roost and john mccain is partly to blame? >> a phrase i don't like to use for a lot of different reasons but true the republican elite and washington's elite soured the country on a lot of things. the project of war in iraq was not a good project. john mccain only now in ...

Be which is horrifying. what is your reaction to that? >> i'm glad he didn't write it about me. look. i think that george will represents sort of establishment conservatism for lack of a better word. george will could well have been writing positive columns of mike pence the governor of indiana had mike pence not taken the vice presidential job or had donald trump lost. i think what george will is reacting to is what you see a lot of establishment republicans reacting to. the idea of trump and pence not natural allies. trump is a former democrat. pence is a long time lifelong conservative repu...

>> harris: the special election in georgia's 6th congressional district is officially the most in american history. latest polls showing the race is neck and neck and democrat john osoff and karen handle squared off for their very first head to head debate last night. jonathan siri joins us for a recap. jonathan, i really want to start with why this race is so key, so important? >> reporter: yeah. you know, this race is generating a lot of national interest because of the balance of power in congress. while most of last night's debate focused on national issue, the candidates themselves did no...

They rally around bunning for ten minutes because he's a deficit hawk -- >> you think they rally around him out of ignorance of his record? >> i think they just rally around what he did this past week. that's it. he's a symbol. he's going to be going anyway. he's out of office. but the fact is that the -- rand paul, for instance, doesn't have the blessing of mitch mcdonnell in his own state. and i think they hate the republicans. they hate all of washington. they may hate obama more, but they hate that establishment party. >> when you described that movement as counterconservative in your colu...

Deficit hawk for ten minutes. >> you think they rally around him out of ignorance of his record? >> i think they just rally around what he did this past week. that's it. he's a symbol. he's going to be going anyway. he's out of office. but the fact is that the -- rand paul, for instance, doesn't have the blessing of mitch mcconnell in his own state. and i think they hate the republicans. they hate all of washington. they may hate obama more, but they hate that establishment party. >> when you described that movement as counterconservative in your column this week, that kind of jumped out at me...