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Ideology about character where the president has raised big -- people are saying how come so few are talking about it, it is amazing for two to break free like this. i don't think this wheel has stopped turning, and the president's reaction to always throw gasoline on a fire isn't going to make it even better. so we're in the middle of a big moment here, and we'll see how it turns out. >> can we talk about steve bannon now, because he was a former chief of staff to this president said that he's happy. saying he added another scalp in his collection as another establishment falls. do you think ...

Problematic. even if he did the fact he won't say it and the fact someone would be telling people he did to try to promote fighting in the white house, none of these are good scenarios. this relationship between the president and secretary of state is one of the key relationships in washington. i mean, especially as we're dealing with increasing threats from north korea, threat that military leaders have said is the biggest thing facing our country. for this relationship to be on the rocks is concerning. >> let's talk steve bannon now at the value voter summit on sunday a lot of people talking...