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Juggernaut. >> there was an established frontrunner in dole. my point is he doesn't have to beats an establishment frontrunner. he is the establishment frontrunner. >> the other problem, if the guy can't finish in the top five at every one of these events at what point are all these people shoveling money into his coffer saying maybe this isn't the smart money? >> there is no one out there right now who is challenging jeb for their love and affection. a little bit rubio, a little bit walker, maybe a little bit kasich, but he will have twice, there's times, four times, maybe five times as much ...

Every single we've seen from him suggested somebody eyeing the presidency will be making a presidential bid this year. >> so, mark if he runs clearly he would be not only the frontrunner but a substantial candidate for the republicans. >> there's no doubt he would be a substantial candidate and a favorite of the establishment assuming that no other big establishment figures end up running like chris christie the governor of new jersey. but, you know, i think it's a little too early to call him the definitive republican frontrunner. he might be the establishment frontrunner. one thing he's doin...

Would say, even more interesting than at a campaign event last week. buck shot back and here, check it out. >> why should we vote for you? >> why should you vote for me? >> because i do not wear high heels. >> did he really just say that, jessica? >> he really said that. i didn't think he expected to be on national tv, maybe. it's a footwear fight. this is really about -- at this point, the woman in this race who was the establishment frontrunner had fallen behind in the polls and this is her way of trying to inject gender back into it to get the women's vote. we'll see if it works. >> jessica...