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Several decades of working with the military establishment has left him with an establishment view of a problem that will not be solved by establishment solutions. we need reform, independent prosecutions. it's interesting to me as i mentioned once before this comes at a time when we talk about prosecuting lyrics and prosecuting other bad activities and there niece no doubt rape is an uncons schonable act especially when we're seeing it at this endemic level. i'd echo some of what you say, s.e. and we talk about it on the panel, toure. >> itthey are less crucial, they're making less of a sacri...

So that is an "a" versus a "b." >> in that context, it's fair. but it's really about the solutions they're offering, not about the person or the personality. it's about who can offer the bold solutions that are needed to deal with the problems that people are facing. i think people are tired of establishment politics. they're tired of establishment solutions. they're tired of establishment economics which have left so many americans behind. >> does hillary clinton fall into the establishment politics you believe that people are tired of? >> that's what voters will have to decide. that's the vo...