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Every year in the three years he's been in office he has never had to shut one down. >> greta: why was congressman sense brenner -- sensenbrenner involved in this? >> he wholes the town hall meeting as a congressman -- he holds the town mall meeting as a congressman but always invites the state senator and rep in case there were state issues pressing in this case there were clearly state issues. it was unfortunate. here you have a situation where we are trying to talk to folks, hear what people's concerns were. many who were there who did not get a chance to speak, because the meeting was call...

Explain how they think and how they feel. but the question is, i think you would agree, that no one should be vilified, but does barack obama have a role in this debate? >> he is the president of the united states. wisconsin is one of those 50 states. >> it's not in the constitution that the federal government should be involved in state issues. >> so you do or don't want him involved? >> we have enough problems with our own politics in the state. we don't need to have washington stepping in. >> he's not a good role model for saving money. [applause] >> it will put so much pressure on the fede...

Accommodations. >> you know, i want to play you something that president obama said about the budget battle in wisconsin. listen to this. >> on the other hand, some of what i've heard coming out of wisconsin where you're just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain generally, seems like more of an assault on unions. it's important for us to understand, public employees, they're our neighbors. they're our friends. >> okay. so i'm asking you if you think this is a smart move on the president's behalf because you have him taking on this support, giving that to unions in some...

Pass by next thursday or friday, i am told the layoff notices to 5500 state employee also go out. i don't think any of those employees are going to be happy that they were laid off in part because democratic senators decided not to show up to block a vote. i think it's worst to lay off 5500 people than make these modest concessions. >> gregg: by siding so conspicuously with the unions, is president obama really making just kind of a naked grab for union votes to gin up the liberal base? is that why he's getting involved? >> i think that's absolutely the case. union membership has been declinin...

In this case. megyn: go ahead. >> judges have been inventing and legislating from the bench on state issues -- megyn: i don't want a policy debate. i feel like judge vinson was thrown under the bus a bit by the white house calling him an activist. and then i hear jonathan turley, a liberal lawyer, defending this judge saying, that's not fair. the administration went in there and told this judge that this mandate is essential. it's an essential piece of the legislation. when the judge struck it down, what choice did he have? >> right. exactly. it's the very essence of the judiciary to take a lo...