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How farther along is this bad relationship toward a real final blowup? >> it feels like we have this conversation every week, andrea. my colleagues report it's just the latest chapter ongoing book, an uneasy book for this administration of a relationship, story of a relationship between a president and his chief of staff since the number of last year. the chief of staff has had a frayed relationship with the president. what's interesting about the story, this recent story, is that the relationship has had its moments. chief of staff kelly has threatened to quit, yet he hangs on. like so many p...

They think he's making the right choices on the environment, on climate change, as much as susan collins is a lonely voice in the republican caucus saying that she disagrees with him more on substance than his ethics problems. >> it's partly policy, why pruitt continues to hang on as epa administrator. but it's also loyalty. when you talk to people close to the president, you look at that image with the president meeting with members of the cabinet at the white house, there was scott pruitt at the end of the table, listening intently. he's been a loyal presence in this white house. he goes to ...

Scott pruitt and what he has done. he needs to be in the position. he doesn't need to be. he's traveling around the world. the republicans who are ib sins the, pa a epa are doing the wor. are there not dozens of republicans who could take pruitt's position and aren't saddled by the ethics problems? >> i think pruitt, the way he's handled himself as epa administrator, is going to damage the substance of policy positions he's taken. a lot of which i probably would agree with. i'm not an expert on the issues, but i'm more on the de-regulatory side and think president obama overreached in ways. no...

Job that is controversial and he is getting a lot of flack for it? >> is there a force field in first class that nobody can get to? >> no. this guy has more ethics problems than all of these others. >> i want people to know what we're talking about. this is what critics say. he repeated a condo from the wife of a d.c. lobbyist. that alone might raise eyebrows. he has it under market at $50 a night. he's given raises to two people he knows for a long time, they call them friends. and they are substantial raises. he spent tens of thousands on luxury travel, including lots of first class tickets....

Bush. richard, this is a new low in an administration that seems to have some ethics problems. >> well, they just got a new low every other day. scott pruitt is toward the bottom of a barrel that has an awful lot of rotten apples in it. let's look at what is going on here. this is an energy lobbyist, and he's been spending a lot of his time at the epa de-regulating so the energy companies can get away with a lot of stuff and other polluters. it is not the environmental protection agency anymore. it's the environmental pollution agency. the lobbyist now. he got this condo for $50 a night. when ...