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Franken combines both the political power of being in office plus the fame of having been a celebrity, just like donald trump, and that's why he gets away with things that nobody should get away with. and a voter back home says nobody i know would get away with being a serial groper while being a married man. so, they see this insulated protected, powerful class. that's going to be an image he has to overcome. this is part of the reason a lot of democrats are trying to say, oh, a guy like franken, a guy like conyers, they've done so much for the powerless because they're trying to overcome tha...

Information that we were able to provide to the voters of that district. so i think there is a way for the ethics process to work. it needs to be expedited and as i said we need to get moving on it quickly. it needs to provide due process and transparency so that the voters know what the situation is. >> i have to ask you about an issue that impacts the state of ohio. it involves an ohioan. the protection board going to -- it used to be run by kourd -- corddry and i believe he's likely to run for governor. he designated deputy director and the president has designated now i guess an acting dir...

Michigan used public funds, essentially to shut this woman up, avoid going through the ethics process, avoid any kind of public disclosure about her complaint, then i think the detroit free press is right in saying this is a basic violation of the public trust and he should resign. i don't think we've reached quite to that point of asserting that you now conyers office is saying other offices have used the same procedure. i don't know that i'm interested to find out if this is common. even if it is common, it still constitutes what strikes me as hush money. >> melissa: yeah,ally, on top of tha...

This weekend, or tomorrow, for thanksgiving. i know people are worried about talking politics with loved ones but i think they should. hugh hewitt, appreciate your time, my friend. >> thanks, katy. and joined now by former democratic congresswoman from maryland donna edwards, currently a candidate for prince georges county executive in maryland. donna, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us. you served with congressman conyers and he's been accused of sexual harassment. do you think he should resign? >> well i do think that, and i did serve with the congressman and while i appre...

Should resign? >> i agree with the casualty for the ethics committee about you i do think we can't put all of these things in the same basket. i said that before. but you know the fact is we were talking about in a when there was one accuser and now there is a second accuser of al franken. and i think the pattern we have seen in all of these instances is there is never just one. if we are going to use an ethics process, whether it's in the house or senate, it has to be a much more bifurcated process that doesn't take years and years to resolve because the accusers need resolution, so do the me...