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Scorecard. he would leave the ownership not just the operational ownership. eddie vest into a true blind trust. he would appoint an independent trustee not a family member. all emoluments clause, issues resolved. strong ethics wall in place for administration and business. so none of those past muster, you are saying? >> that's right. on the ownership, he's hanging on to the ownership. so there's no break at all. the thing he's breaking with on the first one, ownership, is four decades of bipartisan presidential tradition. presidents have all used the blind trust or the equivalent. and in orde...

There's a federal anti-nepotism law. you cannot give a job to your son-in-law if you're the president. so, there will be legal issues there beyond just the conflicts of interest. >> last question. next thursday we're told by aides a news conference is scheduled. it appears likely we're now hearing that donald trump will make some statement on this issue of business entanglements. in simple language, what does he need to say to satisfy you and satisfy americans? >> the president-elect should say, america, i am divesting my holdings. i'm getting rid of my business interests, my role in business ...