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And they have to figure out what they're going to be facing down the road? >> andrea, that's not true. governor cuomo has a tough budget and that budget process is going on over the course of time. but i actually sat there for several years when mayor bloomberg would threaten 25,000 layoffs, 15,000 layoffs, 10,000 layo layoffs. what we have do is fight to make sure that kids get a decent education. doesn't mean there has to be responsibility, of course. buttily instead of looking at his own budget which i understand has a $2 billion surplus right now, he's trying to say no, let's pit people ag...

What's happening in education is that when we lose 30%, 40%, 50% of teachers in years three to five, it's a huge expense to taxpayers. i'm actually looking at the districts that show a lower attrition rate than that. let me just say one other thing about the 95% in terms of good evaluations. we all know that evaluation systems have to be overhauled. and frankly, our locals in the aft have been really working in the last two years with districts all across the country. there are 50 districts right now, local unions and districts, working together to overhaul them. because at the end of the day,...

An affluent suburban area that maybe has a better climate. >> look. that's all great. what it doesn't do, unfortunately, when you, again, read the blueprint, is that we've calls for a 360-degree accountability meaning everybody is more accountable just like when we stepped up a couple months ago and said, we have to overhaul our evaluation systems. we just have drive by teacher evaluations these days. that doesn't work. we need to make sure our evaluation systems help create continuous teaching and learning for kids where we replicate what works and jettison what doesn't. the issue becomes how...

Year's spending. caught between conservatives and their own party who want deeper, immediate cuts and president obama threatening to veto everything in their proposal because they cut too deeply. kelly o'donnell joins us now. complicated stuff but a fierce debate already under way. what's the latest? >> reporter: in the tempo is different under the new congress with republicans in control. john boehner rps set up a free for all, letting members put as many amendments into the process instead of being sifted and planned. that has dwroadded to all of th. you've got a chance for people from all o...

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