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He is the 85-year-old korean war vet who was seized in october at the end of a tour of the country. he was seen on state television this past weekend delivering what appeared to pretty much every expert to be a forced apology. now, clearly neither his case nor that of kenneth bay are likely to be helped best the ongoing political in-fighting in north korea. listen to gordon chang again. >> it's clear that the political sensitivities in pyongyang have been heightened. nobody is going to want to make that decision because that decision can be criticized and and when people are being executed, ev...

Watched it there. everybody grab your dials. let's do it one more time. how old you respond to that outburst by these people? >> well, i think teachers and firefighters and public servants are very hard-working people? have we had experiences with bad apples here and there in every workplace whether it's union or nonunion. unions want to be part of the solution. we want to come to the table and work with management to make companies succeed. i think we can be part of being creative helping companies be more efficient in the global economy. >> now i understand why wisconsin looks like it does a...

>> liz, this causes -- you watch it had there. everybody grab your dials do it one more time how would you respond to that outburst by these people? >> i think teachers firefighters and public servants are hard-working people. have we had experiences with bad apples here and there whether it's union or nonunion. unions want to be a part of the solution. we want to come to the table and work with management to make companies succeed. i think we can be a part of being creative helping companies be more efficient and more productive in today's global economy. >> now i understand why wisconsin loo...

Watched it there. everybody grab your dials. let's do it one more time. how old you respond to that outburst by these people? >> well, i think teachers and firefighters and public servants are very hard-working people? have we had experiences with bad apples here and there in every workplace whether it's union or nonunion. unions want to be part of the solution. we want to come to the table and work with management to make companies succeed. i think we can be part of being creative helping companies be more efficient in the global economy. >> now i understand why wisconsin looks like it does a...

>> liz, this causes a you watched it there. everybody grab your dials. let's do it one more time. how old you respond to that outburst by these people? >> well, i think teachers and firefighters and public servants are very hard-working people? have we had experiences with bad apples here and there in every workplace whether it's union or nonunion. unions want to be part of the solution. we want to come to the table and work with management to make companies succeed. i think we can be part of being creative helping companies be more efficient in the global economy. >> now i understand why wisc...