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Establishment, the democratic party establishment is picking the candidate. that hasn't worked for them in the democratic primaries this year leading up to the midterms and it would seem like a heavy hand. they picked hillary clinton last time. >> martha: is understandable that the former president would want to have these meetings sort of off the radar. i couldn't help but think of all the people coming in and out of trump tower and how different these two men are. not that the situations are similar, but everybody remember those moments, the video. everybody walking in and out of the buildin...

"new day" earlier this morning and he said you know what, it's not a conflict of interest that these kids were sitting in these meetings because we were fully transparent. look, there was a camera in there. we have a camera posted at the golden elevators in the trump tower. we can see everybody walking in and out and nobody's making a secret of anything or that the kids were involved. so why is anyone worrying? does that sit well with you? >> well, the camera doesn't tell you who's saying what to who. and i am concerned about the children, the conflicts of interest with the president-elect's c...

Information about an individual and where that person might be and what kind of vehicle he's driving and that type of thing. but if you just put a general be on the lookout, this is many of people protesting in the last couple months have said oh, the police stop me. i was doing nothing but, you know, walking down the street. and they said you look like somebody we're looking for who has just committed a crime. that is exactly what you would have here. you would be asking the police, you know, stop everybody walking around who is a young african male because they might be out to kill you. and ...

Numbers that nina cited. this piece today and there are many studies coming out saying healthy people are going to have to pay a lot more. universal coverage isn't free. it doesn't come out of air. >> no. but the fact is most people get their insurance through their employer take a nonsmoking male i believe he was 40 years old and compare him to someone who is sick and what their rates would be under this new plan. base fee. their fee is going to be pumped up under this new plan as you know people who do have preexisting conditions people who are sick are going to be included and insurance com...

Give you one that confuses the heck out of people. how are hospitals going to do this? we are paying hospitals an extra bonus out of medicare to take care of people who don't have insurance. if everybody walking in the door has insurance we don't have to pay them the bonus and save $100 billion. >> do you think you have done a good job of selling this? >> no. >> why? >> because it is complicated. >> all i do is read stories about rahm emanuel is up, he's down, he has friends, he doesn't have friends. why are there so many stories looking under the hood of the white house? >> because for the fi...