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Illnesses in this country are being treated. the opinion of this sheriff, they should not be able to buy, surround themselves, purchase or carry a hand gun. those two things don't mix. >> as the tragedy unfolded in florida, we were struck by the near unanimous consensus in law enforcement officials that school shootings represented a new normal in america. so, we wondered if the law and order president might be moved by these voices from the law enforcement community. >> at what point are we going to start to rethink how we deal with weapons in this country. it's not a coincidence that we have...

American can travel anywhere in the country with a firearm at anytime concealed. >> conceal and carry. >> so you get so angry about this issue, that here we are again, there will be grieving families tonight again, there will be 3,000 families concerned for their child again. and the u.s. senate is sitting around basically discussing well let's get everybody a gun so that -- meanwhile the senate is one of the most heavily fortified places in america. can't carry a gun in the senate, but you can carry it anyplace else. >> a remarkable point. let's bring in brandon, a student at the school. br b...

>> an officer. >> but he was a good guy with a gun. >> but you and i both know that's not where -- when we hear from conservatives, the good guy with the gun, they're not talking about the police officer or the woman in a uniform -- >> sure. >> -- who's rushing in. they are talking about the guy behind you in the seat at the movie theater who just happened to be strapped and able to take out the gunman, which has not happened yet. >> that's not true. there have been incidents in which mass shooters have been stopped. there have been 10, 15 i think in the last few years. also, there are thousan...

New york without taking your picture and having a security to get in the building. >> then the point is why not try reducing the ability of high-capacity magazines? isn't it possible that that could reduce the carnage? >> we tried it for ten years and it didn't work. there are millions -- >> we didn't try it. >> yes, we did. it was limited to ten. >> how do you know what would have happened? you can't prove a negative. >> the reality is there are millions of them out there. this is a second amendment right. i don't think it would necessarily solve the overall problem. i think the mental health...

Necessarily solve the overall problem. i think the mental health is true. as far as arming everybody in schools and teachers, look, i had high school science teachers who can't negotiate a bunsen burner for goodness sake. i wouldn't suggest that we necessarily give everybody a gun, it's not for everybody. but how we deal with it in utah is going to be way different than how we deal with it in chicago. >> david, one thing that came out of your interview they've thought was interesting that the nra i didn't think would ever be on, he was calling for forcing states to participate more. if you're ...